picked these two up thurs, got a male and a female. they are alil smaller then i was thinking, but i was quickly able to do some moving at put them in my 40 breeder for now till they are big enough to move into the 180gal. right now they are alittle bigger then the top of a pint glass. they are eatting good for me, seem alil skittish when im around. but i picked up one of those marineland sumbmersable LED moon lights (which i really like!) so hopfully i can watch them in the dark room with out then seeing me till they get more used to me. its amazing ive gotten two fish in the past year that i thought i would never own my bucket list of fish is darn near complete.